- According to a letter written by his son, John E. Carlisle, "His name was spelled in the records as I spell mine, but I understand that part of the family left out the "s". An older sister of my father told me that her father came from London, and that his father's name was John Carlisle, and that he was a well-to-do miller, used to grind corn, etc. She said that her father joined the army, was wounded, and left, and feeling too proud to return home, settled in Nottingham. I have an uncle living in Nottingham and he tells me that no one knows where grandfather came from. ... He had a brother Peter who was a lawyer. ... grandfather John Carlisle or Carlile was born in London about the year 1783 and his father's name was John. "
Another letter by John E. Carlisle says, "My grandfather settled in Nottingham and no one seems to know where he came from. His name was John and he died when 58 years of age. He was buried in Dec. 1841. His father was supposed to have been John and I am told that he lived in London. My grandfather had a number of brothers and sisters. He was fairly well educated."
Yet another letter says, "An old lady, a sister of my father, told me that her grandfather was a miller in London and that his name was John etc. She says her father joined the army, was wounded and left and never returned to his father's home because he was too proud. However this may be, it seems that he was alienated from his relatives for some reason. "
General Carlisle research notes:
Mary Shannon had two daughters in Leeds, probably in the Woodhouse neighborhood of Leeds, but we'll probably never be able to prove it.
One daughter, Mary Ann, got married to a Twells, had at least one child, then moved out of there and in with Enoch Cassaday with whom she had I think four children. Then when William Twells died, Mary Ann officially married Enoch Cassaday.
The other daughter, Elizabeth, married John Wakefield.
Then regarding Mary Hooley, she had two children out of wedlock with a brewer, first Rachel Hooley and then I think Samuel Hooley, before she married John Carlile. They had several children together. There are questions about two children named James Carlile, and about the death of Mary Hooley which should be resolved when some certificates come in April.
Mary Hooley in 1851 had a child George who apparently was the son of their lodger named Roberts, as the civil registration shows him under the name George Roberts, and his burial record, same address as the
1851 census, also shows George Roberts.